[R] Specify multiple nested random effects in lme with heteroskedastic variance across group

Bert Gunter bgunter.4567 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 21 12:36:33 CET 2018

You should post this on the r-sig-mixed-models  list. You are more likely
to get a helpful response there.


Bert Gunter

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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:06 PM, suraj keshri <surajkeshri at gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to fit a random effects model with two separate nested random
> effects. I can easily do this using the `lmer` package in R. Here's how:
>     model<-lmer(y ~ 1 + x + (1 | oid/gid) + (1 | did/gid), data=data)
> Here, I'm fitting a random intercept for `oid` nested within `gid` and
> `did` nested within `gid`. This works well. However, I want to fit a model
> where the variance of the intercept changes with the `gid` for both the
> random effects. `nlme` package is capable of doing that. However, it's not
> clear how. The best I could do is like so:
>     model <- lme(y ~ 1 + x, random=list(gid=~1, oid=~1, did=~1),
> weights=varIdent(form=~1|gid), data = data)
> but this nests the `did` within `oid` and `gid` nested together. I tried to
> use the idea from a similar [question][1], which seems like a close problem
> but the answer has not been explained well in that question. I hope someone
> can figure this out.
>   [1]:
> https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/58669/
> specifying-multiple-separate-random-effects-in-lme
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