[R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun Nov 30 15:02:12 CET 2014

Dear John

Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly 
has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird.

Michael

On 30/11/2014 12:05, John Sorkin wrote:
> The headers listed below as being part of the ״raw" email messages are
> not seen, at least not in the messages I receive.
> John
>
>> John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D.
>> Professor of Medicine
>> Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics
>> University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology and
> Geriatric Medicine
>> Baltimore VA Medical Center
>> 10 North Greene Street
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>
>
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Henrik Bengtsson <hb at biostat.ucsf.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jeff Newmiller
>> <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>> To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying
> to find their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in
> anyone's interest.
>>>
>>> John: I agree that adding the word "unsubscribe" to the footer would
> probably help those lost enough to be mailing the list. The existing web
> page does have that word on it, though.
>>>
>>> Fabio: I was unaware of the unsubscribe header... looks interesting,
> though I would be concerned that it seems like it might bypass the
> password protection currently in place, making it susceptible to abuse.
> However, there seem to be quite a lot of organizations using it so it
> may work better than my initial impression tells me it does.
>>
>> FYI, if you look at the raw email messages, they all have the
>> following in the header:
>>
>> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1
>> Precedence: list
>> List-Id: "Main R Mailing List: Primary help" <r-help.r-project.org>
>> List-Unsubscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/options/r-help>,
>> <mailto:r-help-request at r-project.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>> List-Archive: <https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/>
>> List-Post: <mailto:r-help at r-project.org>
>> List-Help: <mailto:r-help-request at r-project.org?subject=help>
>> List-Subscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help>,
>> <mailto:r-help-request at r-project.org?subject=subscribe>
>>
>> Note that "List-Unsubscribe" field
>> [http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html].  That does not seem to be
>> enough to have Gmail add a "unsubscribe" button/link (which is indeed
>> a useful UX feature).  Google mention some more requirements in
>> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#unsub, particularly
>> "'Precedence: bulk'", which I find on since mailing lists typically
>> use "list" just as r-help does.  I also found a mentioning on "DKIM
>> key signature" being required
>>
> [http://blog.mailchimp.com/gmails-new-unsubscribe-link-and-feedback-loop/].
>> So, not sure how easy it is to enable all this for the list(s) (which
>> are handled by Mailman).
>>
>> My $.02
>>
>> /Henrik
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>> On November 29, 2014 6:14:11 PM PST, Rolf Turner
> <r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>>>>> On 30/11/14 14:16, John Sorkin wrote:
>>>>> I don't see a link that is labeled "unsubscribe".
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Jeff Newmiller
>>>> <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.CA.us>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there?
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>>> On November 29, 2014 4:09:29 PM PST, John Sorkin
>>>>> <jsorkin at grecc.umaryland.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Requests like this appear from time to time. Would it make sense
>>>> to
>>>>>>> add a link to the bottom of the email messages generated by the
>>>> mail
>>>>>>> program that is labeled>>> Well, there is no "unsubscribe" page as such.  The link given, i.e.
>>>>
>>>>     https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>>>
>>>> takes you to the primary help page. That provides a link to a
> (password
>>>>
>>>> protected) page where you can handle all matters pertaining to your
>>>> r-help subscription, including unsubscribing.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose that it might be possible to provide a link taking one
>>>> directly to this second page, but:
>>>>
>>>> (1) It would add clutter (I'm sure we don't want to delete the link
> to
>>>> the primary help page).
>>>>
>>>> (2) The password protection might get complicated; I don't know
> about
>>>> such matters.
>>>>
>>>> (3) I don't think we want to waste time and resources helping people
>>>> who
>>>> are too stupid and illiterate to find their way to the unsubscribe
>>>> facility on the basis of what is already provided.  They shouldn't
> be
>>>> R users in the first place.  One needs at least two grey cells to
> rub
>>>> together to deal with R.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Rolf Turner
>>>
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