[R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Martin Maechler]

>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com>
>>>>>     on Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:47:02 -0600 writes:

    > Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many "unsubscribe" messages continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an appreciable difference, we can look into putting it in the top.
    > Btw, I have seen mailing list e-mails elsewhere with an unsubscribe line at the top. I don't see it as a big deal.

    > Best wishes,
    > Ranjan

Ok,... I think I --- and 99.9% of all other readers have had
enough input about this:

Decision:  
 - No header
 - We replace in the footer the first of the 4 text lines

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Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich  (and R core team).


    > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:31:14 -0800 Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

    >> I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use.
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    >> On December 1, 2014 6:15:47 AM PST, Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
    >> >Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems,
    >> >both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless
    >> >subscribers).
    >> >
    >> >>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com>
    >> >>>>>>     on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes:
    >> >
    >> >> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it
    >> >at the top then, before the R-message?
    >> >    > Something like:
    >> >
    >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see
    >> >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
    >> >
    >> >Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see.
    >> >It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where
    >> >civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and
    >> >e-mails were electronic letters..  and that age has gone...
    >> >
    >> >Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? 
    >> >and keep the current footer?
    >> >
    >> >Martin
    >> >
    >> >> And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has
    >> >pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding,
    >> >putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and
    >> >especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world.
    >> >
    >> >> As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume
    >> >of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment
    >> >enough for the original post:-)
    >> >
    >> >    > Best wishes,
    >> >    > Ranjan
    >> >
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