# [R] AR vs ARIMA question

Bert Gunter gunter.berton at gene.com
Thu Jul 7 17:00:59 CEST 2011

```WARNING: The following might be **complete baloney** (and my apologies if so).

Erin:
I hope you get a definitive reply on this from a real expert, but if
memory serves, they might be using two different estimation
algorithms. ar() is just doing Yule-Walker recursive calculation as
described in Box-Jenkins, while arima() is using numerical
optimization. You can probably make them closer by changing
convergence criteria for arima(), which would be a good test for my
"explanation."

Cheers,
Bert

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Erin Hodgess <erinm.hodgess at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear R People:
>
> Here is some output from AR and ARIMA functions:
>
>> xb <- arima.sim(n=120,model=list(ar=0.85))
>> xb.ar <- ar(xb)
>> xb.ar
>
> Call:
> ar(x = xb)
>
> Coefficients:
>     1
> 0.6642
>
> Order selected 1  sigma^2 estimated as  1.094
>> xb.arima <- arima(xb,order=c(1,0,0),include.mean=FALSE)
>> xb.arima
>
> Call:
> arima(x = xb, order = c(1, 0, 0), include.mean = FALSE)
>
> Coefficients:
>         ar1
>      0.6909
> s.e.  0.0668
>
> sigma^2 estimated as 1.04:  log likelihood = -172.94,  aic = 349.88
>>
>
> My question:  shouldn't the ar1 and arima coefficients and sigma^2 be
> the same, please?  Or at least closer than they are?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Erin
>
>
> --
> Erin Hodgess
> Associate Professor
> Department of Computer and Mathematical Sciences
> University of Houston - Downtown
> mailto: erinm.hodgess at gmail.com
>
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Bert Gunter
Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics

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