[R] {Spam?} RE: {Spam?} RE: {Spam?} Re: mgcv, testing gamm vs lme, which degrees of freedom?

Joris Meys jorismeys at gmail.com
Tue Jun 22 15:47:07 CEST 2010

Hi Carlos,

there is no possible way you can compare both models using a classical
statistical framework, be it ML, REML or otherwise. The assumptions
are violated. Regarding the df, see my previous mail.

In your case, I'd resort to the AIC/BIC criteria, and if prediction is
the main focus, compare the predictive power of both models using a
crossvalidation approach. Wood suggests in his book also a MCMC
approach for more difficult comparisons.


On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Carlo Fezzi <c.fezzi at uea.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Christos,
> thanks for your kind reply, I agree entirely with your interpreation.
> In the first model comparison, however, "anova" does seem to work
> according to our interpretation, i.e. the "df" are equal in the two model.
> My intuition is that the "anova" command does a fixed-effect test rather
> than a random effect one. This is the results I get:
> anova(f1$lme,f2$lme)
>       Model df      AIC      BIC    logLik
> f1$lme     1  5 466.6232 479.6491 -228.3116
> f2$lme     2  5 347.6293 360.6551 -168.8146
> Hence I was not sure our interpretation was correct.
> On your second regarding mode point I totally agree about the appealing of
> GAMs... howver, I am working in a specific application where the quadratic
> function is the established benchmark and I think that testing against it
> will show even more strongly the appeal of a gamm approach. Any idea of
> which bases could work?
> Finally thansk for the tip regarding gamm4, unfortunately I need to fit a
> bivariate smooth so I cannot use it.
> Best wishes,
> Carlo
Joris Meys
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