[R] New York Times - R - article a fraud?
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Tue Feb 3 11:13:27 CET 2009
>> Or maybe by John Chambers as the central person for the development of S
>> ... I'd be more interested in their opinions than another "outrage!"
The "Trevor" who Eugene Dalt is referring to is Trevor Hastie. Trevor was at
AT&T Bell Labs at the time and worked/has worked very closely with John
Chambers. He is an inside man, and knows better than an any correspondent on
this list (except for John Chambers himself) what he is talking about.
Rau, Roland wrote:
> it seems to me that this article in the NYT started many discussions.
> Maybe I missed it but are there some responses to the article by Ihaka &
> Or maybe by John Chambers as the central person for the development of S
> (hope I am not mistaken here)?
> I'd be more interested in their opinions than another "outrage!"
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of eugene dalt
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:49 AM
>> To: R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch
>> Subject: [R] New York Times - R - article a fraud?
>> I worked on some ad data before and I found NYT article very
>> biaised and not far from a fraud... Anyone knows if they got
>> money from a - company - to play 'R'?
>> Check out the title: R U Ready for R? Seems to me this
>> title was stolen from XLSolutions
>> www.xlsolutions-corp.com and they never mentioned
>> XLSolutions in the article!
>> They mentioned commercial R....never mentioned R-PLUS
>> (www.experience-rplus.com), nor RSTAT
>> I attended Trevor's class and his comment on the article is alarming:
>> As a long time user of S, Splus and now R, I loved the article on R
>> until I read the paragraph on how it all started.
>> I quote:
>> "According to them, the notion of devising something like R sprang up
>> during a hallway conversation. They both wanted technology better
>> suited for their statistics students, who needed to analyze data and
>> produce graphical models of the information. Most comparable software
>> had been designed by computer scientists and proved hard to use."
>> This is grossly ungenerous to the original inventors of the
>> wonderful S
>> language underlying the R system.
>> I think R community should report this fraudulent article to
>> the NYT ed board. It's fraud, not journalism and someone has
>> to say it!
>> 1- They got money for it....fine it's business as usual
>> (unless someone knows someone and took some bribes). Yes...
>> One company seems to appear many many times in the article...
>> 2- It's a 'free' article, then it's rubish as usual.
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