[R] [BioC] Outlook does threading [Broadcast]
Mark W Kimpel
mkimpel at iupui.edu
Fri Feb 2 23:00:19 CET 2007
To close out this thread... I have solved my problem with Outlook not
displaying threads by creating a Gmail account for all my R and BioC
needs and am viewing that with Mozilla Thunderbird. Seems to be working
nicely and I now have the benefit of viewing by threads like to many of
you have been doing all along. I continue to use Outlook for my other
needs. I thought I would share this in case other Outlook users search
the archives and wonder how the problem was ever solved.
Thanks again,
Mark Kimpel
IU School of Medicine
Liaw, Andy wrote:
> This is really off-topic for both BioC and R-help, so I'll
> keep it short.
>
>
> From: Kimpel, Mark William
>
>> See below for Bert Gunter's off list reply to me (which I do
>> appreciate). I'm putting it back on the list because it seems
>> there is still confusion regarding the difference between
>> threading and sorting by subject. I thought the example I
>> will give below will serve as instructional for other Outlook
>> users who may be similarly confused as I was (am?).
>>
>> Per Bert's instructions, I just set up my inbox to sort by
>> subject. I sent one email to myself with the subject "test1"
>> and then replied to it without changing the subject. The
>> reply correctly went to "test1" in the inbox sorter. I then
>> changed the subject heading in the test1 reply to "test2" and
>> sent it to myself. This time Outlook re-categorized it and
>> put it in a separate compartment in the view called "test2".
>>
>> If Outlook can do threading the way the R mail server does, I
>> don't think this is the way to do it.
>>
>
> AFAIK there's no proper way to get the correct threading in
> Outlook. What I do is group by conversation topic, but that
> doesn't solve the problem. This is only problem on your
> (and all Outlook users'?) end, though. The bigger problem
> that affects the lists is that some versions of MS Exchange
> Server do not include the "In-reply-to" header field that
> many mailing lists rely on for proper threading. As a result,
> when I reply to other people's post, it may show up in Outlook
> as having been threaded properly (because the subject is fine),
> but it throws everything else that does proper threading off.
>
>
>> Unless someone has an idea of how to correctly set up Outlook
>> to do threading in the manner that the R mail server does,
>>
>
> Maybe some VBA coding can be done to get it right, but short
> of that, I very much doubt it.
>
>
>> I
>> think the message for us Outlook users is to just create,
>> from scratch, a new message when initiating a new subject.
>>
>
> That message ought to be clear for everyone. You should
> never reply to a message when you really mean to start
> a new topic, regardless what you are using.
>
> Andy
>
>
>> Thanks for all your help.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bert Gunter [mailto:gunter.berton at gene.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:03 PM
>> To: Kimpel, Mark William
>> Subject: Outlook does threading
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> No need to bother the R list with this. Outlook does
>> threading. Just sort on Subject in the viewer.
>>
>> Bert Gunter
>> Genentech Nonclinical Statistics
>> South San Francisco, CA 94404
>> 650-467-7374
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch
>> [mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of
>> Kimpel, Mark William
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:36 PM
>> To: Peter Dalgaard
>> Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch; bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch
>> Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Thanks you for your explanation, I had taken Mr. Connolly's
>> message to me to imply that I was not changing the subject
>> line. I use MS Outlook
>> 2007 and, unless I am just not seeing it, Outlook does not
>> normally display the "in reply to" header, I was under the
>> mistaken impression that that was what the Subject line was
>> for. See, for example, the header to your message to me
>> below. Outlook will, however, sort messages by Subject, and
>> that is what I thought was meant by threading.
>>
>> Well, I learned something today and apologize for any
>> inconvenience my posts may have caused.
>>
>> BTW, I use Outlook because it is supported by my university
>> server and will synch my appointments and contacts with my
>> PDA, which runs Windows CE. If anyone has a suggestion for me
>> of a better email program that will provide proper threading
>> AND work with a MS email server and synch with Windows CE,
>> I'd love to hear it.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark W. Kimpel MD
>>
>>
>>
>> (317) 490-5129 Work, & Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>> (317) 663-0513 Home (no voice mail please)
>>
>> 1-(317)-536-2730 FAX
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Dalgaard [mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:25 PM
>> To: Kimpel, Mark William
>> Cc: bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch; r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch
>> Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert
>>
>> Kimpel, Mark William wrote:
>>
>>> The last two times I have originated message threads on R or
>>> Bioconductor I have received the message included below
>>>
>> from someone
>>
>>> named Patrick Connolly. Both times I was the originator of
>>>
>> the message
>>
>>> thread and used what I thought was a unique subject line that
>>>
>> explained
>>
>>> as best I could what my question was. Patrick seems to be implying
>>>
>> that
>>
>>> I am abusing the R and BioC help newsgroups in this fashion.
>>>
>>> When I emailed him to give me a specific example, he did not reply.
>>>
>> The
>>
>>> most recent thread that he seems concerned about was to the
>>>
>> R list and
>>
>>> was entitled "regexpr and parsing question" . I believe the
>>>
>> previous
>>
>>> post of mine that he had problems with was to the BioC list but I
>>>
>> can't
>>
>>> remember its subject.
>>>
>>> Is this spam?
>>>
>>>
>> No. Breach of netiquette, yes.
>>
>> The message in question starts a new thread, yet contains an
>> In-Reply-To: header line, which presumably means that you
>> started writing the message as a reply to something
>> completely unrelated,
>> specifically: "Re: [R] change plotting symbol for groups in
>> trellis graph". You should not do that, unless you know how
>> to remove the In-Reply-To line (and this is not obvious in
>> many mail clients); changing the subject is not sufficient.
>>
>>> If I am doing this correctly, you should see the subject "possible
>>>
>> spam
>>
>>> alert" in the subject header of THIS message.
>>>
>>> Would the moderators of the lists please check and see if I
>>>
>> am doing
>>
>>> some wrong and, if not, inform Mr. Connolly that I am not.
>>>
>> If others
>>
>>> have received this message in error, it is possible it is spam and
>>>
>> users
>>
>>> should be alerted.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Mark W. Kimpel MD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Official Business Address:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Department of Psychiatry
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> This is a request to anyone who starts a new subject to begin with a
>>>
>> new
>>
>>> message and NOT reply to an existing one. If your mail
>>>
>> client is any
>>
>>> good, it's very simple to set up an alias (mine is simply
>>>
>> 'r') so that
>>
>>> the tedious task of typing 'r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch' is unnecessary
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> it's quicker than scrolling through an address book.
>>> It's also quicker than deleting the previous subject.
>>>
>>> Most mornings, I have over a screenful of messages mostly
>>>
>> from R-help
>>
>>> and it's very useful to have them threaded. However, the usefulness
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> threading is lost when posters reply to a message and then
>>>
>> change the
>>
>>> subject instead of creating a new message.
>>>
>>> People who don't have a mail client that can display email
>>>
>> in threads
>>
>>> are probably unaware that this sort of thing can happen in ones that
>>>
>> do:
>>
>>> 37 N 25 Jan Luis Silva ( 34) [R] plot/screen
>>> 38 N 25 Jan Uwe Ligges ( 55) `->
>>> 39 N 25 Jan Fernando Henrique Ferra ( 20) [R]
>>>
>> Plotting coloured
>>
>>> histograms
>>> -> 40 N 26 Jan Mohamed A. Kerasha ( 12) |->[R]
>>>
>> Distributions.
>>
>>> 41 N 26 Jan ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk ( 26) | |->
>>> 42 26 Jan Qin Xin ( 9) | `->[R] how could I
>>>
>> add
>>
>>> legends
>>> 43 27 Jan Ko-Kang Kevin Wang ( 31) | `->
>>> 44 N 26 Jan Remigijus Lapinskas ( 32) |->Re: [R] Plotting
>>> coloured his
>>> 45 N 26 Jan Damon Wischik (125) `->
>>> 46 N 25 Jan Rex_Bryan at urscorp.com ( 10) [R] plotting
>>>
>> primatives,
>>
>>> ellipse
>>> 47 N 25 Jan Uwe Ligges ( 19) `->
>>>
>>>
>>> As Martin Maechler explained some time ago, it also screws up the
>>> archives for a similar reason.
>>>
>>> Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>>
>>>
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