[R] Outlook does threading
Gabor Grothendieck
ggrothendieck at gmail.com
Thu Feb 1 02:14:41 CET 2007
You can see how it looks to most readers by viewing it on gmane:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general/78065
Note that even though the subject has been changed its still
listed as a child of another message rather than the start
of a new thread.
On 1/31/07, Tony Plate <tplate at acm.org> wrote:
> Your final paragraph has the take-home message for everyone (not just MS
> Outlook users): "just create, from scratch, a new message when
> initiating a new subject."
>
> Viewing threads can be completely different to sorting based on the
> subject line. Your initial post with the subject "regexpr and parsing
> question" was in fact a reply to the message from Gabor Grothendick in
> the thread "Re: [R] change plotting symbol for groups in trellis graph."
> (I can see this by looking at the header information: I see a
> "In-reply-to:" header item.)
>
> When I view threads in the Thunderbird mail reader, your post and
> replies with the subject "regexpr and parsing question" do in fact show
> up under the thread in which Gabor's message appeared, not in their own
> thread.
>
> According to
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA011356671033.aspx, one can
> view threads in Outlook by selecting "View->Arrange By->Conversation".
>
> Hope this helps (in case the horse was not thoroughly dead already.)
>
> -- Tony Plate
>
> Kimpel, Mark William wrote:
> > See below for Bert Gunter's off list reply to me (which I do
> > appreciate). I'm putting it back on the list because it seems there is
> > still confusion regarding the difference between threading and sorting
> > by subject. I thought the example I will give below will serve as
> > instructional for other Outlook users who may be similarly confused as I
> > was (am?).
> >
> > Per Bert's instructions, I just set up my inbox to sort by subject. I
> > sent one email to myself with the subject "test1" and then replied to it
> > without changing the subject. The reply correctly went to "test1" in the
> > inbox sorter. I then changed the subject heading in the test1 reply to
> > "test2" and sent it to myself. This time Outlook re-categorized it and
> > put it in a separate compartment in the view called "test2".
> >
> > If Outlook can do threading the way the R mail server does, I don't
> > think this is the way to do it.
> >
> > Unless someone has an idea of how to correctly set up Outlook to do
> > threading in the manner that the R mail server does, I think the message
> > for us Outlook users is to just create, from scratch, a new message when
> > initiating a new subject.
> >
> > Thanks for all your help.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bert Gunter [mailto:gunter.berton at gene.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:03 PM
> > To: Kimpel, Mark William
> > Subject: Outlook does threading
> >
> > Mark:
> >
> > No need to bother the R list with this. Outlook does threading. Just
> > sort on
> > Subject in the viewer.
> >
> > Bert Gunter
> > Genentech Nonclinical Statistics
> > South San Francisco, CA 94404
> > 650-467-7374
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch
> > [mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Kimpel, Mark
> > William
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:36 PM
> > To: Peter Dalgaard
> > Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch; bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch
> > Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > Thanks you for your explanation, I had taken Mr. Connolly's message to
> > me to imply that I was not changing the subject line. I use MS Outlook
> > 2007 and, unless I am just not seeing it, Outlook does not normally
> > display the "in reply to" header, I was under the mistaken impression
> > that that was what the Subject line was for. See, for example, the
> > header to your message to me below. Outlook will, however, sort messages
> > by Subject, and that is what I thought was meant by threading.
> >
> > Well, I learned something today and apologize for any inconvenience my
> > posts may have caused.
> >
> > BTW, I use Outlook because it is supported by my university server and
> > will synch my appointments and contacts with my PDA, which runs Windows
> > CE. If anyone has a suggestion for me of a better email program that
> > will provide proper threading AND work with a MS email server and synch
> > with Windows CE, I'd love to hear it.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark W. Kimpel MD
> >
> >
> >
> > (317) 490-5129 Work, & Mobile
> >
> >
> >
> > (317) 663-0513 Home (no voice mail please)
> >
> > 1-(317)-536-2730 FAX
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Dalgaard [mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:25 PM
> > To: Kimpel, Mark William
> > Cc: bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch; r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch
> > Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert
> >
> > Kimpel, Mark William wrote:
> >
> >>The last two times I have originated message threads on R or
> >>Bioconductor I have received the message included below from someone
> >>named Patrick Connolly. Both times I was the originator of the message
> >>thread and used what I thought was a unique subject line that
> >
> > explained
> >
> >>as best I could what my question was. Patrick seems to be implying
> >
> > that
> >
> >>I am abusing the R and BioC help newsgroups in this fashion.
> >>
> >>When I emailed him to give me a specific example, he did not reply.
> >
> > The
> >
> >>most recent thread that he seems concerned about was to the R list and
> >>was entitled "regexpr and parsing question" . I believe the previous
> >>post of mine that he had problems with was to the BioC list but I
> >
> > can't
> >
> >>remember its subject.
> >>
> >>Is this spam?
> >>
> >
> > No. Breach of netiquette, yes.
> >
> > The message in question starts a new thread, yet contains an
> > In-Reply-To: header line, which presumably means that you started
> > writing the message as a reply to something completely unrelated,
> > specifically: "Re: [R] change plotting symbol for groups in trellis
> > graph". You should not do that, unless you know how to remove the
> > In-Reply-To line (and this is not obvious in many mail clients);
> > changing the subject is not sufficient.
> >
> >>If I am doing this correctly, you should see the subject "possible
> >
> > spam
> >
> >>alert" in the subject header of THIS message.
> >>
> >>Would the moderators of the lists please check and see if I am doing
> >>some wrong and, if not, inform Mr. Connolly that I am not. If others
> >>have received this message in error, it is possible it is spam and
> >
> > users
> >
> >>should be alerted.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Mark
> >>
> >>Mark W. Kimpel MD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Official Business Address:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Department of Psychiatry
> >>
> >>Indiana University School of Medicine
> >>
> >>PR M116
> >>
> >>Institute of Psychiatric Research
> >>
> >>791 Union Drive
> >>
> >>Indianapolis, IN 46202
> >>
> >>
> >>This is a request to anyone who starts a new subject to begin with a
> >
> > new
> >
> >>message and NOT reply to an existing one. If your mail client is any
> >>good, it's very simple to set up an alias (mine is simply 'r') so that
> >>the tedious task of typing 'r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch' is unnecessary
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it's quicker than scrolling through an address book.
> >>It's also quicker than deleting the previous subject.
> >>
> >>Most mornings, I have over a screenful of messages mostly from R-help
> >>and it's very useful to have them threaded. However, the usefulness
> >
> > of
> >
> >>threading is lost when posters reply to a message and then change the
> >>subject instead of creating a new message.
> >>
> >>People who don't have a mail client that can display email in threads
> >>are probably unaware that this sort of thing can happen in ones that
> >
> > do:
> >
> >>
> >> 37 N 25 Jan Luis Silva ( 34) [R] plot/screen
> >> 38 N 25 Jan Uwe Ligges ( 55) `->
> >> 39 N 25 Jan Fernando Henrique Ferra ( 20) [R] Plotting coloured
> >>histograms
> >>-> 40 N 26 Jan Mohamed A. Kerasha ( 12) |->[R] Distributions.
> >> 41 N 26 Jan ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk ( 26) | |->
> >> 42 26 Jan Qin Xin ( 9) | `->[R] how could I
> >
> > add
> >
> >>legends
> >> 43 27 Jan Ko-Kang Kevin Wang ( 31) | `->
> >> 44 N 26 Jan Remigijus Lapinskas ( 32) |->Re: [R] Plotting
> >>coloured his
> >> 45 N 26 Jan Damon Wischik (125) `->
> >> 46 N 25 Jan Rex_Bryan at urscorp.com ( 10) [R] plotting
> >
> > primatives,
> >
> >>ellipse
> >> 47 N 25 Jan Uwe Ligges ( 19) `->
> >>
> >>
> >>As Martin Maechler explained some time ago, it also screws up the
> >>archives for a similar reason.
> >>
> >>Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>best
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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