[R] aov contrasts residual error calculation

[Spencer Graves]

Hi, Steve:

	  I'm on the opposite extreme:  I don't know aov, and given that it is 
largely obsolete, I'm not too eager to learn it.

	  spencer graves

Steven Lacey wrote:

> Jacques, 
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I am not using lme because I don’t have the time to
> understand how it works and I have a balanced design, so typcial linear
> modelling in aov should be sufficient for my purposes. Down the road I plan
> to learn lme, but I'm not there yet. So any suggestions with respect to aov
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacques Veslot [mailto:jacques.veslot at good.ibl.fr] 
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:58 AM
> To: Steven Lacey
> Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch
> Subject: Re: [R] aov contrasts residual error calculation
> 
> 
> 
> why not using lme() ?
> 
> first, you need transform data:
> dat2 <- as.data.frame(lapply(subset(dat, sel=-c(A,B,C)), rep, 3))
> dat2$y <- unlist(subset(dat, sel=c(A,B,C)), F, F)
> 
> dat2$cond <- factor(rep(c("A","B","C"), each=nrow(dat)))
> 
> dat2$inter <- factor(dat2$map):factor(dat2$cond)
> 
> lme1 <- lme(fixed = y ~ mapping + cond + inter + other fixed effects,
> 	random = ~ 1 |subj, data=dat2,
> 	contrast=list(inter=poly(nlevels(dat2$inter)[,1:4]))
> 
> 
> 				
> 	
> 
> 
> Steven Lacey a écrit :
> 
>>Hi,
>> 
>>I am using aov with an Error component to model some repeated measures 
>>data. By repeated measures I mean the data look something like this...
>> 
>>subj    A        B        C
>>1       4        11       15
>>2       3        12       17
>>3       5        9        14
>>4       6        10       18
>> 
>>For each subject I have 3 observations, one in each of three 
>>conditions (A, B, C). I want to test the following contrast (1, 0, 
>>-1). One solution is to apply the contrast weights at the subject 
>>level explicitly and then call t.test on the difference scores. 
>>However, I am looking for a more robust solution as I my actual design 
>>has more within-subjects factors and one or more between subjects 
>>factors.
>> 
>>A better solution is to specify the contrast in an argument to aov. 
>>The estimated difference of the contrast is the same as that in the 
>>paired t-test, but the residual df are double. While not what I 
>>expected, it follows from the documentation, which explicitly states 
>>that these contrasts are not to be used for any error term. Even 
>>though I specify 1 contrast, there are 2 df for a 3 level factor, and 
>>I suspect internally the error term is calculated by pooling across 
>>multiple contrasts.
>> 
>>While very useful, I am wondering if there is way to get aov to 
>>calculate the residual error term only based on the specified 
>>contrasts (i.e., not assume homogeneity of variance and sphericity) 
>>for that strata?
>> 
>>If not, I could calculate them directly using model.matrix, but I've 
>>never done that. If that is the preferred solution, I'd also 
>>appreciate coding suggestions to do it efficiently.
>>
>>
>>How would I do the same thing with a two factor anova where one factor 
>>is within-subjects and one is between...
>>                                Condition
>>Mapping     Subject        A        B        C
>>1            1             4        11       15 
>>1            2
>>1            3
>>1            4
>>1            5
>>1            6
>>1            7
>>1            8
>>2            9
>>2            10
>> 
>>Mapping is a between-subject factor. Condition is a within-subject 
>>factor. There are 5 levels of mapping, 8 subjects nested in each level 
>>of mapping. For each of the 40 combinations of mapping and subject 
>>there are 3 observations, one in each level of the condition factor.
>> 
>>I want to estimate the pooled error associated with the following set 
>>of 4 orthogonal contrasts:
>> 
>>condition.L:mapping.L
>>condition.L:mapping.Q
>>condition.L:mapping.C
>>condition.L:mapping^4
>> 
>>What is the best way to do this? One way is to estimate the linear 
>>contrast for condition for each subject, create a 40 row matrix where 
>>the measure for each combination of mapping and subject is the linear 
>>contrast on condition. If I pass this dataframe to aov, the mse it 
>>returns is the value I am looking for.
>> 
>>If possible, I would like to obtain the estimate without collapsing 
>>the dataframe, but am not sure how to proceed. Suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Steve
>>
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