[R] Questions about deviance

Prof Brian D Ripley ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk
Thu Jul 27 10:19:59 CEST 2000

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, halvorsen wrote:

> I have experimented with the cheese data example from McCullagh&Nelder,
> page 175. With a proportional odds model they obtain a residual deviance
> of
> 20.31.
> Estimating the same model with polr(MASS) gives a residual deviance of
> 762.11 !,  while using ordglm(gnlm) gives a deviance of 523.94.  Can
> anybody explain these differences?

It depends on the choice of saturated model. See MASS3 pp 230-1, including
how to compare them.  It is a standard problem with discrete glms, and for
this problem (which is not a glm).  I maintain that our choice, which
amounts to minus twice sum of log predicted probabilities, is by far the
most interpretable.  (Peter McCullagh had a thing about their lack of
value, but he is not supported by the whole prediction assessment

(I suspect ordglm is giving a minus twice log-likelihood as the

If you use a function (polr) from support software from a book, you 
need to be aware that most of the documentation is the book.

Brian D. Ripley,                  ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk
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