[Rd] Using {} for NULL

[@vi@e@gross m@iii@g oii gm@ii@com]

Ah, given that analysis, Hadley, You might as well use:

{{}}

Or even

{{{{{}}}}}

Or, do those not ultimately evaluate as a null-like thing as they are sort of a set of a set of a set of a ...


-----Original Message-----
From: R-devel <r-devel-bounces using r-project.org> On Behalf Of Hadley Wickham
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2026 9:21 AM
To: Peter Dalgaard <pdalgd using gmail.com>
Cc: r-devel <r-devel using r-project.org>
Subject: Re: [Rd] Using {} for NULL

(Not serious)

bench::system_time({}) suggests that it takes ~10µs to evaluate {}.
Assuming you type at 100 wpm, i.e. 500 characters per minute, that's 8.33
characters per second, or 120 ms per letter, you save 240 ms by typing {}
instead of NULL, therefore you'd need to evaluate {} 24,000 times to make
the savings worth it :)

Hadley

On Mon, May 4, 2026 at 8:46 AM Peter Dalgaard <pdalgd using gmail.com> wrote:

> On the contrary: NULL is a constant, {} is an expression, which needs to
> be evaluated before you know its value. And, considering lazy evaluation
> and all that, I wouldn't bet on the compiler to optimize the difference
> away.
>
> -pd
>
> > On 30 Apr 2026, at 11.42, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan using gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The news item for a recent R-devel bug fix says this:
> >
> > - ‘cut(1:11, {})’ now signals an error for the invalid ‘breaks’, fixing
> PR#19057, thanks to Kevin Ushey.
> >
> > When I read that, I wondered why {} was used.  Does it give some weird
> exotic object?  No, its value is NULL, which was used in the referenced bug
> report.
> >
> > So my question is:  why use {} instead of NULL in an expression?  I
> don't think there are any efficiency advantages.
> >
> > Duncan Murdoch
> >
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