[Rd] Writing in R // R 4.2.0 on Windows doesn't work with Dasher

[Paulo Barata]

Mr. Murdoch,

Two pieces of open source software that do work with Dasher 5.0.0 beta 
in Direct Entry mode, on Windows 10:

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Apache Open Office 4.1.2 (32-bit Windows application) -- I tried the 
Open Office Writer, a Microsoft Word equivalent:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/

Source code here:

https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html

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Notepad++ 8.4.1 (64-bit Windows application / text editor):

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/v8.4.1/

Source code here:

https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus

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Best regards,

Paulo Barata

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On 15/05/2022 18:48, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 5:01 p.m., Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
>> It is interesting that Paulo reports Rgui to behave differently from 
>> many (all?) other applications. However, I have no insight into Windows.
> 
> It's not a big surprise.  Rgui uses a UI library (Graphapp) that was 
> written a very long time ago, and it hasn't adopted their updates in at 
> least 15 years.  Additionally, Rgui hasn't really had any Windows users 
> giving it the attention it needs.
> 
> And not nearly "all".  RStudio has different problems, which means 
> everyone using the same UI library they use probably has them too.  I 
> didn't see any open source projects in the list of things that work.
> 
> Duncan Murdoch
> 
>>
>> Best,
>> Kasper
>>
>> On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 3:32 PM Duncan Murdoch 
>> <murdoch.duncan using gmail.com <mailto:murdoch.duncan using gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 15/05/2022 2:44 p.m., Ben Bolker wrote:
>>      >     I don't know if there's a good up-to-date list anywhere of
>>      > editors/IDEs that handle R nicely, but it would include at least:
>>      >
>>      >     Atom
>>      >     Sublime Text
>>      >     VS Code
>>      >     RStudio
>>      >     Jupyter notebooks
>>      >     vim
>>      >     emacs
>>      >     Tinn-R
>>      >
>>      >     It's worth being able to choose from such a list both for 
>> general
>>      > aesthetic preferences, and for those with accessibility 
>> challenges.
>>
>>     One more that I should have mentioned:  StatET, a plug-in for the
>>     Eclipse IDE.
>>
>>      >
>>      >    I do agree that it would be nice if there were a way to make 
>> the R
>>      > console work well with Dasher under Windows, but the technical
>>     details
>>      > are completely beyond me.
>>
>>     A long time ago I used to know some of this stuff, but now I find
>>     working in Windows quite difficult.  I never knew it well enough to
>>     know
>>     the advantages and disadvantages of the approach RGui uses versus the
>>     one that dasher seems to be expecting.
>>
>>     On the hopeful side, accessibility has always had a relatively high
>>     priority in the R Project, and there seems to be a recent push in 
>> that
>>     direction.  Perhaps there will be an opportunity for someone to
>>     bring up
>>     this issue at useR! 2022 (https://user2022.r-project.org
>>     <https://user2022.r-project.org>).
>>
>>     Duncan Murdoch
>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Best,
>> Kasper
> 
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