[Rd] Randomness not due to seed
Duncan Murdoch
murdoch.duncan at gmail.com
Wed Jul 20 15:46:42 CEST 2011
I would guess the error below is because of Java messing around in the
hardware. It's pretty common on Windows for DLLs to attempt to change
the precision setting on the floating point processor; I hadn't seen
that before on Linux, but that would be my guess as to the cause.
It's also possible that one of the attached packages has messed with R
functions somehow, e.g. by replacing the default print() or show() method.
A third possibility is that different math libraries are being used.
So I would consider the differences in the results to be a bit of a bug,
but not one that is likely under our control, and not one that is so
large that I would worry about working around it.
Duncan Murdoch
On 20/07/2011 8:03 AM, Jeroen Ooms wrote:
> >> I think Bill Dunlap's answer addressed it: the claim appears to be false.
>
> Here is another example where there is randomness that is not due to
> the seed. On the same machine, the same R binary, but through another
> interface. First directly in the shell:
>
> > sessionInfo()
> R version 2.13.1 (2011-07-08)
> Platform: i686-pc-linux-gnu (32-bit)
>
> locale:
> [1] LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=C
> [3] LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
> [5] LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
> [7] LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NAME=C
> [9] LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C
> [11] LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=C
>
> attached base packages:
> [1] stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods base
>
> > set.seed(123)
> > print(coef(lm(dist~speed, data=cars)),digits=22)
> (Intercept) speed
> -17.579094890510951643137 3.932408759124087715975
>
>
>
> # And this is through eclipse (java)
>
> > sessionInfo()
> R version 2.13.1 (2011-07-08)
> Platform: i686-pc-linux-gnu (32-bit)
>
> locale:
> [1] LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=C
> [3] LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
> [5] LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
> [7] LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
> [9] LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
> [11] LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
>
> attached base packages:
> [1] stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods base
>
> other attached packages:
> [1] rj_0.5.2-1
>
> loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
> [1] rJava_0.9-1 tools_2.13.1
>
> > set.seed(123)
> > print(coef(lm(dist~speed, data=cars)),digits=22)
> (Intercept) speed
> -17.57909489051087703615 3.93240875912408460735
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