Prof Brian D Ripley
Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:07:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> Full_Name: Ahmad Abu Hammour
> Version: rw0651
> OS: windows 95
> Submission from: (NULL) (22.214.171.124)
> Although I know that "ts package" is preliminary, I wanted to compare the
> results from R and SPSS. I ran ARIMA(2,1,2) in both softwares. I got NaN in
> standard errors of coefficients from R and real figures from SPSS. I changed
> "delta" in R to match that used by SPSS, I received results with no NaNs but
Can you please submit a full and reproducible example, as the FAQ suggests?
Does SPSS in fact do maximum likelihood estimation? Last time I looked it
used an approximation. (You do need to be careful: for example S-PLUS's
arima.mle does not do MLE, despite its name.) One isssue here is that most
packages do not ensure that the returned coefficients are valid for a
stationary invertible process: arima0 (by default) does.
The standard errors are part of the `preliminary' bit: they are waiting for
a better optimizer. The `0' on arima0 indicates that it is intended to be
replaced fairly soon.
> different from those from SPSS specially in MA coefficients. They came out
> negative numbers while positive from SPSS.
That is a matter of definition. The signs of each of the AR and MA
coefficients are often swapped, so I would not be at all surprised that
SPSS is different. R is intended to be consistent with S-PLUS (as
documented in Venables & Ripley, at least).
Brian D. Ripley, email@example.com
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