setting up ess-source-directory
rossini at biostat.washington.edu
Thu Feb 3 01:52:35 CET 2000
>>>>> "BP" == Brett Presnell <presnell at stat.ufl.edu> writes:
BP> The thing that really surprises me about this is that no one
BP> else seems to complain about it (you're the first I know of
BP> besides me). I'm sure that this problem has existed for a
BP> very long time (since the first time I tried ESS several years
BP> ago), and I find that ESS is practically useless to me mainly
BP> because of this one thing. I still use S-mode 4.8mmxe2
BP> whenever possible, though I would love to have a system that
BP> interacted seemlessly with both S and R.
Nope, I complain about it, occassionally. There is a solution, which
I'd have told you about, Brett, if you'd bothered to reply.
BP> without first getting any one of them right. For me
BP> personally, and I suspect a lot of other people, ESS would be
BP> much more useful if just the S and R stuff all worked as
BP> expected (at least reliably reproduce the functionality of
BP> S-mode under GNU Emacs on UNIX systems) and were reasonably
Right. but the problem is that the packages I'm using it on tend to
be Stata (for data analysis), XLispStat, and R... and I'm somewhat
altruistic, but not at the expense of features that I need...
Splus 5.1 is next on the list, for many, many reasons... (it's what
I'm currently focusing on...)
BP> As long as I'm offering my unsolicited opinion, I'll add that
BP> I personally think that supporting GNU Emacs 19.28 is beyond
BP> the pale...
That's a can of worms!
BP> Anyway, I don't mean any of this as a flame.
It's not, it's more "facts of life". I wish we had more developers.
I'm out of time, being research-track and spending lots of time on
projects, then on things to publish, for the most part, and then
currently trying to find funding to spend on ESS (sacrifice short-term
gains for hopefully long-term support, but that's neither here nor
Since this has been brought up again, here is the short ToDo list for
ESS 5.2. At _this_ point, we can consider dropping support for
(X)Emacs 19 (except for maybe 19.34). ESS-core, feel free to comment,
this list isn't set in stone:
#1 - Splus 5.1 needs to work. Period. Functionality needs to be
#2 - Stata needs a few tweaks to get it to work correctly.
#3 - Rodney's new ESS-SAS code needs to be added in.
#4 - R needs to be certified as functional (see Mary's original point
for an example of broken functionality).
#5 - Microsoft instructions.
#6 - update documentation.
As soon as this is done, ESS 5.2 gets released, and then we can start
working on things like dropping old support, "customize" in the sense
of Emacs, etc. On the 5.2 Todo list:
#1 - customize.
#2 - speed up the literate programming interface.
#3 - disable object/variable completion when we can't do it.
#4 - audio interfaces with Emacspeak
#5 - func-menu/imenu support (It works for me, but isn't merged in).
#6 - more documentation
Timeline? I don't know...
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