[BioC] strange effect of "half" bkg substraction in Limma

J.delasHeras at ed.ac.uk J.delasHeras at ed.ac.uk
Wed Aug 2 15:16:31 CEST 2006


I use Limma to analyse my 2-colour cDNA arrays.
I usually either simply substract background (method "subtract"), or 
don't correct for background at all (for a number of reasons I will not 
go into now).

In one of my latest sets of arrays, I was fortunate enough to know some 
of teh expected genes to be differentially expressed a priori (from 
previous experiments and RT-PCR confirmation).

I substracted the background, as I did for a similar set of arrays 
(same experiments on a different cell line), and looked for the genes I 
knew to be differentially expressed. They were not in the list. 
Actually, they gave me NA when I looked for them on my normalised data 
object.
The reason for this, I found out, was that I was having slides with 
higher background than usual (especially on Cy3 channel), and the local 
background for that group of genes was higher than the actual signal 
measured on ONE of the channels. This gave me a negative intensity 
value after bkg substraction... and that's where the problem lies.

Okay... so I looked at how many spots had negative values after 
substraction in at least one channel. Lots. I expect lots of spots to 
show no signal in either channel, so it's not surprising. But a good 
number will probably have no signal only on one channel. These are 
actually the genes I am mainly after: those that show no expression 
before my treatment, but get activated to some degree after the 
treatment.

I decided to convert the negative intensities to some arbitrary number 
that wouldn't give me trouble.
I decided to avoid a value between 0 and 1 (logs would be negative or 
zero) and chose 1.5. Just because.

I then used the RG data, corrected that way, to continue. I normalised 
within arrays (print-tip loess) and between arrays (scale). Then I 
applied the linear model as usual plus eBayes on that. Then I looked to 
see what happened to my group of known genes. They were not eliminated 
this time, that's good. BUT they were not marked as DE (using FDR <= 
0.05). In fact... EVERY spot had FDR above 0.9!!!

I thought maybe I had made a mistake in the correction... so I quickly 
repeated the procedure using the "half" methgod to substract 
background. This is essentially what I did before, but substituting 
negative values by 0.5, rather than 1.5.
same thing!

You can see the MA plots for one set of data, using either no 
background correction, the "substract" method, the "half" method, or my 
own correction choosing "0.5" (so it's the same as "half"... I only put 
it to make sure my method did what it was supposed to do):

http://mcnach.com/MISC/MAplots1.png

It seems that using the "half" method flattens all the differences, 
after normalisation... I am guessing this is some effect of the 
normalisation procedure...
I used "half" on another set of data once, without this effect... the 
data was already "flattish" where all the M values were no bigger than 
2.5, and the background was pretty low generally.

Any ideas about what's happening here?

Incidentally, I took the data and re-analysed it without any background 
correction at all. The MA plot for the same set looks like this:

http://mcnach.com/MISC/MAplots2.png

which is nice... I expect a relatively large number of genes to be 
upregulated, and many to be activated (going from no signal or almost 
nothing, to a clearly detectable signal), and these show nicely along 
the top upwards diagonal of the diamond-shaped plot (where genes that 
have signal only on my treatment are expected to cluster).
My known genes show up also on that diagonal, and their relative 
position also fits nicely with the results obtained by RT (more 
strongly reactivated genes show higher on the diagonal). The FDR values 
also appeared reasonable.
Surprisingly (to me), nor removing background, even when I had some 
slides that didn't look so good, gives pretty solid results.

Jose

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Dr. Jose I. de las Heras                      Email: J.delasHeras at ed.ac.uk
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