[Bioc-devel] NotNeeded in build report RSS feeds

Antti Honkela antti.honkela at hiit.fi
Thu Jun 30 15:31:51 CEST 2016

Hi Dan,


I think there are two separate issues, the first and more important of 
which you have now hopefully fixed.

I would still like to see NotNeeded treated similarly as OK because it 
too adds noise by generating extra reports when the set of build 
machines changes and making the reports slightly more difficult to 
parse. (I assume you are not generating new "no build problems" when the 
set of build machines changes.) Plus it would look neater if the report 
said no problems as "NotNeeded" is not really a problem a maintainer 
could/should do anything about. :)


On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:54, Dan Tenenbaum wrote:

> Indeed, you are right, Leo. I was able to identify the thing that had 
> changed and to restore it to its previous behavior. It should now 
> behave as before, only updating the rss feed when the build status has 
> changed.
> Thanks,
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "lcollado" <lcollado at jhu.edu>
>> To: "Antti Honkela" <antti.honkela at hiit.fi>
>> Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" <dtenenba at fredhutch.org>, "bioc-devel" 
>> <bioc-devel at r-project.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:19:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] NotNeeded in build report RSS feeds
>> Hi,
>> I don't think this has anything to do with "NotNeeded". The RSS feed
>> did indeed change around the time BioC 3.3 was released and I have
>> also been getting daily RSS updates, even if they are "No build
>> problems for package XYZ" (with the same status the day before).
>> My guess is that the RSS feed was changed to add daily updates before
>> 3.3's release just to make sure all issues were solved before the
>> release. And now that things are a bit more static it'd be nice to
>> have the RSS feed to return to "on change".
>> Best,
>> Leo
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Antti Honkela 
>> <antti.honkela at hiit.fi> wrote:
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> I follow the RSS feed on Feedly and for some time now it has shown 
>>> two
>>> updates every day: "NotNeeded in Release" and "NotNeeded in Devel". 
>>> Up to
>>> approximately 2 months ago I only saw updates when the status 
>>> changed, but
>>> since then there have been these two daily non-updates which add a 
>>> lot of
>>> noise.
>>> It seems that the whole NotNeeded thing was introduced in RSS 
>>> reports
>>> sometime last autumn and as far as I can tell it has generated a lot 
>>> of
>>> noise e.g. when the build machine names changes etc. but no useful
>>> information.
>>> As the NotNeeded state does not seem something a package maintainer 
>>> needs to
>>> care about, perhaps you could ignore it when generating the RSS and 
>>> revert
>>> to the "No build problems for X" report?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Antti
>>> On 28 Jun 2016, at 22:16, Dan Tenenbaum wrote:
>>>> Hi Antti,
>>>> I'm not sure I follow. NotNeeded is a status seen in the INSTALL 
>>>> phase of
>>>> the build, and it means your package did not need to be installed 
>>>> because no
>>>> other package built by the build system depends on it.
>>>> This status should not change from one day to the next. (It would 
>>>> change
>>>> if someone were to depend on your package.)
>>>> But the basic behavior of the RSS feeds is supposed to be to only 
>>>> notify
>>>> you when there is a change in build status. So you should not get 
>>>> new feeds
>>>> when the build status stays the same.
>>>> Dan
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Antti Honkela" <antti.honkela at hiit.fi>
>>>>> To: "bioc-devel" <bioc-devel at r-project.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:45:12 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Bioc-devel] NotNeeded in build report RSS feeds
>>>>> Would it be possible to change the build report RSS feed 
>>>>> generation to
>>>>> treat "NotNeeded" similarly as "OK"?
>>>>> This would make the feed more useful for spotting real problems.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Antti
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