[Bioc-devel] chromosome lengths (seqinfo) for supported BSgenome builds into GenomeInfoDb?

Gabe Becker becker.gabe at gene.com
Fri Jun 5 20:51:12 CEST 2015


Herve,

This is probably a naive question, but what usecases are there for creating
an object with the wrong seqinfo for its genome?

~G

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Michael Lawrence <lawrence.michael at gene.com
> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Hervé Pagès <hpages at fredhutch.org> wrote:
> > I also think that we're heading towards something like that.
> >
> > So genome(gr) <- "hg19" would:
> >
> >   (a) Add any missing information to the seqinfo.
> >   (b) Sort the seqlevels in "canonical" order.
> >   (c) Change the seqlevels style to UCSC style if they are not.
> >
> > The 3 tasks are orthogonal. I guess most of the times people want
> > an easy way to perform them all at once.
> >
> > We could easily support (a) and (b). This assumes that the current
> > seqlevels are already valid hg19 seqlevels:
> >
> >   si1 <- Seqinfo(c("chrX", "chrUn_gl000249", "chr2", "chr6_cox_hap2"))
> >   gr1 <- GRanges(seqinfo=si1)
> >   hg19_si <- Seqinfo(genome="hg19")
> >
> >   ## (a):
> >   seqinfo(gr1) <- merge(seqinfo(gr1), hg19_si)[seqlevels(gr1)]
> >   seqinfo(gr1)
> >   # Seqinfo object with 4 sequences (1 circular) from hg19 genome:
> >   #   seqnames       seqlengths isCircular genome
> >   #   chrX            155270560      FALSE   hg19
> >   #   chrUn_gl000249      38502      FALSE   hg19
> >   #   chr2            243199373      FALSE   hg19
> >   #   chr6_cox_hap2     4795371      FALSE   hg19
> >
> >   ## (b):
> >   seqlevels(gr1) <- intersect(seqlevels(hg19_si), seqlevels(gr1))
> >   seqinfo(gr1)
> >   # Seqinfo object with 4 sequences (1 circular) from hg19 genome:
> >   #   seqnames       seqlengths isCircular genome
> >   #   chr2            243199373      FALSE   hg19
> >   #   chrX            155270560      FALSE   hg19
> >   #   chr6_cox_hap2     4795371      FALSE   hg19
> >   #   chrUn_gl000249      38502      FALSE   hg19
> >
> > (c) is harder because seqlevelsStyle() doesn't know how to rename
> > scaffolds yet:
> >
> >   si2 <- Seqinfo(c("X", "HSCHRUN_RANDOM_CTG42", "2",
> "HSCHR6_MHC_COX_CTG1"))
> >   gr2 <- GRanges(seqinfo=si2)
> >
> >   seqlevelsStyle(gr2)
> >   # [1] "NCBI"
> >
> >   seqlevelsStyle(gr2) <- "UCSC"
> >   seqlevels(gr2)
> >   # [1] "chrX"                 "HSCHRUN_RANDOM_CTG42" "chr2"
> >   # [4] "HSCHR6_MHC_COX_CTG1"
> >
> > So we need to work on this.
> >
> > I'm not sure about using genome(gr) <- "hg19" for this. Right now
> > it sets the genome column of the seqinfo with the supplied string
> > and nothing else. Aren't there valid use cases for this?
>
> Not sure. People would almost always want the seqname style and order
> to be consistent with the given genome.
>
> > What about
> > using seqinfo(gr) <- "hg19" instead? It kind of suggests that the
> > whole seqinfo component actually gets filled.
> >
>
> Yea, but "genome" is so intuitive compared to "seqinfo".
>
>
>
> > H.
> >
> > On 06/04/2015 06:30 PM, Tim Triche, Jr. wrote:
> >>
> >> that's kind of always been my goal...
> >>
> >>
> >> Statistics is the grammar of science.
> >> Karl Pearson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grammar_of_Science>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Michael Lawrence
> >> <lawrence.michael at gene.com <mailto:lawrence.michael at gene.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Maybe this could eventually support setting the seqinfo with:
> >>
> >>     genome(gr) <- "hg19"
> >>
> >>     Or is that being too clever?
> >>
> >>     On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Hervé Pagès <hpages at fredhutch.org
> >>     <mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>> wrote:
> >>      > Hi,
> >>      >
> >>      > FWIW I started to work on supporting quick generation of a
> >> standalone
> >>      > Seqinfo object via Seqinfo(genome="hg38") in GenomeInfoDb.
> >>      >
> >>      > It already supports hg38, hg19, hg18, panTro4, panTro3, panTro2,
> >>      > bosTau8, bosTau7, bosTau6, canFam3, canFam2, canFam1, musFur1,
> >> mm10,
> >>      > mm9, mm8, susScr3, susScr2, rn6, rheMac3, rheMac2, galGal4,
> >> galGal3,
> >>      > gasAcu1, danRer7, apiMel2, dm6, dm3, ce10, ce6, ce4, ce2,
> sacCer3,
> >>      > and sacCer2. I'll add more.
> >>      >
> >>      > See ?Seqinfo for some examples.
> >>      >
> >>      > Right now it fetches the information from internet every time you
> >>      > call it but maybe we should just store that information in the
> >>      > GenomeInfoDb package as Tim suggested?
> >>      >
> >>      > H.
> >>      >
> >>      >
> >>      > On 06/03/2015 12:54 PM, Tim Triche, Jr. wrote:
> >>      >>
> >>      >> That would be perfect actually.  And it would radically reduce &
> >>      >> modularize maintenance.  Maybe that's the best way to go after
> >>     all.  Quite
> >>      >> sensible.
> >>      >>
> >>      >> --t
> >>      >>
> >>      >>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Vincent Carey
> >>     <stvjc at channing.harvard.edu <mailto:stvjc at channing.harvard.edu>>
> >>      >>> wrote:
> >>      >>>
> >>      >>> It really isn't hard to have multiple OrganismDb packages in
> >>     place -- the
> >>      >>> process of making new ones is documented and was given as an
> >>     exercise in
> >>      >>> the EdX course.  I don't know if we want to institutionalize it
> >> and
> >>      >>> distribute such -- I think we might, so that there would be
> >>     Hs19, Hs38,
> >>      >>> mm9, etc. packages.  They have very little content, they just
> >>     coordinate
> >>      >>> interactions with packages that you'll already have.
> >>      >>>
> >>      >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Tim Triche, Jr.
> >>     <tim.triche at gmail.com <mailto:tim.triche at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>      >>> wrote:
> >>      >>>
> >>      >>>> Right, I typically do that too, and if you're working on human
> >>     data it
> >>      >>>> isn't a big deal.  What makes things a lot more of a drag is
> >>     when you
> >>      >>>> work
> >>      >>>> on e.g. mouse data (mm9 vs mm10, aka GRCm37 vs GRCm38) where
> >>      >>>> Mus.musculus
> >>      >>>> is essentially a "build ahead" of Homo.sapiens.
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>> R> seqinfo(Homo.sapiens)
> >>      >>>> Seqinfo object with 93 sequences (1 circular) from hg19 genome
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>> R> seqinfo(Mus.musculus)
> >>      >>>> Seqinfo object with 66 sequences (1 circular) from mm10
> genome:
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>> It's not as explicit as directly assigning the seqinfo from a
> >>     genome
> >>      >>>> that
> >>      >>>> corresponds to that of your annotations/results/whatever.  I
> >>     know we
> >>      >>>> could
> >>      >>>> all use crossmap or liftOver or whatever, but that's not
> >>     really the
> >>      >>>> same,
> >>      >>>> and it takes time, whereas assigning the proper seqinfo for
> >>      >>>> relationships
> >>      >>>> is very fast.
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>> That's all I was getting at...
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>> Statistics is the grammar of science.
> >>      >>>> Karl Pearson
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grammar_of_Science>
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Vincent Carey
> >>      >>>> <stvjc at channing.harvard.edu <mailto:
> stvjc at channing.harvard.edu>
> >>      >>>>>
> >>      >>>>> wrote:
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>>
> >>      >>>>> I typically get this info from Homo.sapiens.  The result is
> >>     parasitic
> >>      >>>>> on
> >>      >>>>> the TxDb that is in there.  I don't know how easy it is to
> swap
> >>      >>>>> alternate
> >>      >>>>> TxDb in to get a different build.  I think it would make
> sense
> >> to
> >>      >>>>> regard
> >>      >>>>> the OrganismDb instances as foundational for this sort of
> >>     structural
> >>      >>>>> data.
> >>      >>>>>
> >>      >>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Kasper Daniel Hansen <
> >>      >>>>> kasperdanielhansen at gmail.com
> >>     <mailto:kasperdanielhansen at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>      >>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> Let me rephrase this slightly.  From one POV the purpose of
> >>      >>>>>> GenomeInfoDb
> >>      >>>>>> is
> >>      >>>>>> clean up the seqinfo slot.  Currently it does most of the
> >>     cleaning,
> >>      >>>>>> but
> >>      >>>>>> it
> >>      >>>>>> does not add seqlengths.
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> It is clear that seqlengths depends on the version of the
> >>     genome, but
> >>      >>>>>> I
> >>      >>>>>> will argue so does the seqnames.  Of course, for human,
> >>     chr22 will not
> >>      >>>>>> change.  But what about the names of all the random
> >>     contigs?  Or for
> >>      >>>>>> other
> >>      >>>>>> organisms, what about going from a draft genome with 10k
> >>     contigs to a
> >>      >>>>>> more
> >>      >>>>>> completely genome assembled into fewer, larger chromosomes.
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> I acknowledge that this information is present in the
> BSgenome
> >>      >>>>>> packages,
> >>      >>>>>> but it seems (to me) to be very appropriate to have them
> >>     around for
> >>      >>>>>> cleaning up the seqinfo slot.  For some situations it is not
> >>     great to
> >>      >>>>>> depend on 1 GB> download for something that is a few bytes.
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> Best,
> >>      >>>>>> Kasper
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Tim Triche, Jr.
> >>     <tim.triche at gmail.com <mailto:tim.triche at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>      >>>>>> wrote:
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> It would be nice (for a number of reasons) to have
> >>     chromosome lengths
> >>      >>>>>>> readily available in a foundational package like
> >>     GenomeInfoDb, so
> >>      >>>>>>> that,
> >>      >>>>>>> say,
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> data(seqinfo.hg19)
> >>      >>>>>>> seqinfo(myResults) <- seqinfo.hg19[ seqlevels(myResults) ]
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> would work without issues.  Is there any particular reason
> >> this
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> couldn't
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> happen for the supported/available BSgenomes?  It would
> >>     seem like a
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> simple
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> matter to do
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> R> library(BSgenome.Hsapiens.UCSC.hg19)
> >>      >>>>>>> R> seqinfo.hg19 <- seqinfo(Hsapiens)
> >>      >>>>>>> R> save(seqinfo.hg19,
> >>      >>>>>>> file="~/bioc-devel/GenomeInfoDb/data/seqinfo.hg19.rda")
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> and be done with it until (say) the next release or next
> >>     released
> >>      >>>>>>> BSgenome.  I considered looping through the following
> >> BSgenomes
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> myself...
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> and if it isn't strongly opposed by (everyone) I may still
> >>     do exactly
> >>      >>>>>>> that.  Seems useful, no?
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> e.g. for the following 42 builds,
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> grep("(UCSC|NCBI)", unique(gsub(".masked", "",
> >>     available.genomes())),
> >>      >>>>>>> value=TRUE)
> >>      >>>>>>> [1] "BSgenome.Amellifera.UCSC.apiMel2"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Btaurus.UCSC.bosTau3"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [3] "BSgenome.Btaurus.UCSC.bosTau4"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Btaurus.UCSC.bosTau6"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [5] "BSgenome.Btaurus.UCSC.bosTau8"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce10"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [7] "BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce2"
> >>       "BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce6"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [9] "BSgenome.Cfamiliaris.UCSC.canFam2"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Cfamiliaris.UCSC.canFam3"
> >>      >>>>>>> [11] "BSgenome.Dmelanogaster.UCSC.dm2"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Dmelanogaster.UCSC.dm3"
> >>      >>>>>>> [13] "BSgenome.Dmelanogaster.UCSC.dm6"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Drerio.UCSC.danRer5"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [15] "BSgenome.Drerio.UCSC.danRer6"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Drerio.UCSC.danRer7"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [17] "BSgenome.Ecoli.NCBI.20080805"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Gaculeatus.UCSC.gasAcu1"
> >>      >>>>>>> [19] "BSgenome.Ggallus.UCSC.galGal3"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Ggallus.UCSC.galGal4"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [21] "BSgenome.Hsapiens.NCBI.GRCh38"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Hsapiens.UCSC.hg17"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [23] "BSgenome.Hsapiens.UCSC.hg18"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Hsapiens.UCSC.hg19"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [25] "BSgenome.Hsapiens.UCSC.hg38"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Mfascicularis.NCBI.5.0"
> >>      >>>>>>> [27] "BSgenome.Mfuro.UCSC.musFur1"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Mmulatta.UCSC.rheMac2"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [29] "BSgenome.Mmulatta.UCSC.rheMac3"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Mmusculus.UCSC.mm10"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [31] "BSgenome.Mmusculus.UCSC.mm8"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Mmusculus.UCSC.mm9"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [33] "BSgenome.Ptroglodytes.UCSC.panTro2"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Ptroglodytes.UCSC.panTro3"
> >>      >>>>>>> [35] "BSgenome.Rnorvegicus.UCSC.rn4"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Rnorvegicus.UCSC.rn5"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> [37] "BSgenome.Rnorvegicus.UCSC.rn6"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Scerevisiae.UCSC.sacCer1"
> >>      >>>>>>> [39] "BSgenome.Scerevisiae.UCSC.sacCer2"
> >>      >>>>>>> "BSgenome.Scerevisiae.UCSC.sacCer3"
> >>      >>>>>>> [41] "BSgenome.Sscrofa.UCSC.susScr3"
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> "BSgenome.Tguttata.UCSC.taeGut1"
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> Am I insane for suggesting this?  It would make things a
> >> little
> >>      >>>>>>> easier
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> for
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> rtracklayer, most SummarizedExperiment and SE-derived
> >>     objects, blah,
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>> blah,
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> blah...
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> Best,
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> --t
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>> Statistics is the grammar of science.
> >>      >>>>>>> Karl Pearson
> >>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grammar_of_Science>
> >>      >>>>>>
> >>      >>>>>>
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> >>      >>>>>>
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> >>      > --
> >>      > Hervé Pagès
> >>      >
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